(A number of his male friends say that they asked, or would have asked, him to be their best man.) On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. We need each other, have each other to get through this, added David. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? And we, would have agreed to anything. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. 1 suspect was his estranged girlfriend, Shirley Turner, also a medical doctor, who was raised in western Newfoundland and was then practicing in Iowa. In mid-December, the Bagbys talked to The Western Star about the rerelease of the documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, by Kurt Kuenne. Andrew came to St. John's. I can say it like that because even without a trial, the evidence was so damning we might as well have been next to her when she carried out the crime. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. What kind of headfuck must that be? CORNER BROOK, N.L. When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. David Bagby Obituary (1957 - 2022) - Statesville, NC - My Web Times Keith Morrison reports. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. Dear Zachary has been announced as the first film to launch the newly formed MSNBC Films division of MSNBC. A True-Crime Story That Puts the Victims First | The New Yorker All rights reserved, Click here for information on becoming a member. The amount of the award will be variable, but is expected to be in the range of $1,000. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. Click HERE for assistance. Imagine being the parents of a man who was killed and then having to ingratiate yourself to the killer in order to keep your grandchild safe. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. MORRISON: And tell me about your mum with Zachary. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' HOUSE OF COMMONS UNANIMOUSLY PASSES BILL C-464. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' We need each other, have each other to get through this.". COLLECTOR'S EDITION DIGIPAK only from Oscilloscope Laboratories: David Bagby Obituary (2022) - Statesville, NC - Statesville Record This is without a doubt one of the most profound, touching and moving films I have ever watched." Typically, we meet the victim not as a person but as a dismantled puzzle to be put back together by the canny viewer, who is likewise appealed to not as a person hearing about a human catastrophe but as an analytical machine capable of sorting and weighing the relevant facts. He couldve introduced his friends death any way he wanted, and he went with this, with a kid who can barely pronounce the word killed asking why one of daddys friends has ended up that way. Interviews with Bagbys friends and family take the place of the usual lineup of witnessesas much attention is given to the fact that he always wore shorts as to the number of times he was shotand their pain functions as evidence as the film builds a case against the Canadian bail and extradition protocols. Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. quiet. The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. To revisit this article, select My Account, thenView saved stories, To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. In initial questioning, Turner claimed to have been home sick in Iowa when Bagby was shot, but cell-phone records showed her placing calls along the thousand-mile highway route between Council Bluffs and Latrobe in the days before and after the murder. We don't--we don't gush very much. Asked if he would have done anything different back then, David replies, kill Shirley Turner.. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. The strange allure of Robert Durst and The Jinx.. Someone found a car that didn't belong. Except, OK, sometimes not. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a son about his father Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. The film is by the phenomenal writer, director and composer Kurt Kuenne. 2023 Cond Nast. In that time, it also becomes clear that Andrews fate is in danger of also becoming his sons. This is Defector, a new sports blog and media company. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? September 28, 2008: In the end, she died, but love did not. How dreadful the knowledge of the truth can be, wrote Sophocles, when theres no help in truth.. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. Oh, my God. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. Troutman Funeral Home is assisting the Bagby family. This documentary starts out like a love letter. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. And if that picture never reveals itself, it feels like a letdown, not a tragedy. They still have friends in the province, people Kate said they wouldnt have survived without. She. He said, `What can happen?'. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. Check your local listings for channel info. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. -Drafted and finalized press releases, articles, annual reports, websites, earnings releases and investor . I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. She pushed it back in and cried some more. Far from experiencing the satisfaction of cracking a mystery, the viewer is likely to come away with a feeling of stymied sickness, of hitting the brick wall of a world gone wronga feeling which must be closer to the lived reality of violent tragedy. I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. Man #26: and for having the strength to make it through, Unidentified Man #27: With what you've been through, to still be, carrying on, still to hold your heads up and keep going and pushing forward is, (Kate and David; photo of David and Kate), Unidentified Woman #13: I think God put some people down on Earth, Mr. A. BAGBY: (Wedding video) We're brothers, and I love you. And as tragic as this story is, that is also where its consolation lies: that Shirley Jane Turner destroyed everything around her in an attempt to extinguish the love she was incapable of experiencing herself, and in the end she couldnt. Dear Zachary recently won the Sigma Delta Chi Award for Best Documentary of 2008 from the Society of Professional Journalists. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. It stays so close to Bagby and to the people who loved him that theres never any question that its their side of the story being recounted. The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. It has been our privilege to have the trust and support of our East Coast communities for the last 200 years. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. I knew, exactly what my son looked at before he died. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. -. "This is the purest, most intensely raw film I have ever seen of any kind, dramatic or nonfiction. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. After the pregnancy came to light, the film became a way to introduce Zachary to his father. then one day I realized what it was. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. They're like, `What do you mean?' Click HERE for ticket information. For this night they were a couple once again, dancing and drinking together. In January, the film was nominated for Best Documentary by both the Chicago Film Critics Association and the Online Film Critics Society, who also nominated writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne for Breakthrough Filmmaker of 2008. . MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. That child was Zachary, to whom the film is addressed. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. They were good friends; it was he who Bagby had told about the fatal meeting with Turner beforehand. We. Andrew was found dead Nov. 5, 2001 in a state park just outside Latrobe, PA, where he was a resident in the local hospitals family medicine programme. He laughs as he recalls images of Zachary running up and down a hall, saying that is a joy. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? May 16, 2008: A 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition Blu-Ray and DVD with special artwork and packaging is available only from Oscilloscope Laboratories at the link below. They told us that they'd found the body. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! Bill C-464 when enacted will justify detention in custody for a person accused of a serious crime who is a potential danger to their own minor children. It left me looking for the impossibility of marking the film above the highest grade available on the festival's voting ballot. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? Still grieving the death of their son, the Bagbys moved to Newfoundland and fought for custody of Zachary. And thus the decision from which all else followed. Information on who and where to write can be found on the "Support Bail Reform" page. get in there, if that's what she demanded. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. Dr. Andrew David Bagby (1973-2001) - Find a Grave Memorial I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. Oh, my. Its hard to imagine a well-crafted rendition being as powerful.). In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. -, "Some of the week's biggest flicks aren't at Sundancefilmmakers have praised Slamdance film. ', KATE: He's so loved. Well, you dont have to look far, said Dr. T. Clark Simpson, who worked with Bagby. The night was. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? MORRISON: Kurt and Andrew grew up together in Northern California, where the fledgling director gave Andrew starring roles in some of his earliest ventures. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. And then we'd do it through the lawyers. Blood red screen. As religious as that may sound, that is a comfort. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. "Kurt Kuenne has crafted a documentary that began as a legacy of a friend in the form of a letter to that friend's child, and that is powerful enough to endure as legend. David Bagby wrote Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, a best-seller in Canada in 2007, about his family's ordeal. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. Mommy loves you. While that change felt good, David wanted more. A Kate Bagby is an Advisory Member at Mothers Against Murder based in Los Altos, California. Creating stronger communities. She was deranged. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. This film will be one of the best you're likely to see this year." This abridged version was prepared personally by Kurt Kuenne in order to comply with CBC Newsworld's time constraints but preserve the film's impact while reaching a wider audience in Canada. Kurt is incredibly grateful for the good folks at MSNBC for making this arrangement happen. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). Its best to watch Kuennes documentary without too much background, but the basic setup is this: On November 6, 2001, Andrew Bagbys body was found, shot five times, in a park near Latrobe, Pennsylvania, where Bagby lived. -, "**** (Four stars). I had a job I loved. In Los Angeles - August 22-28 at the Arclight Hollywood, 6360 Sunset Blvd. Is it OK? MORRISON: The ammunition used to kill Andrew was CCI .22 caliber bullets. I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). will not hurt Zachary, period. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. You take it with you, but you move on, said David. The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. he was fussy at all. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. Turner - the son of Andrew Bagby whom she gave birth to after Bagby's death. With that kind of goodness, anything is possible. Cpl. Go away.'. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. TO ME ITS REAL LIFE. Dear Zachary avoids the first pitfall by directly confronting the second. Awaiting extradition, Turner drowned 13-month-old Zachary and took her own life as well. This is not the worst instance in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. "We had to do something.. I cannot stress this enough: this movie frightened and disturbed me more than any horror film I've ever seen in my life. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. Blu-ray | DVD, 10th Anniversary Edition: The New Yorker may earn a portion of sales from products that are purchased through our site as part of our Affiliate Partnerships with retailers. Dr. Andrew Bagby was killed on November 5, 2001, by an older woman named Shirley Jane Turner, who he had dated at a low point in his life. On December 15, 2010, Governor General David Johnston gave Royal Assent to Bill C-464: An Act To Amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody), making it law in Canada. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. IE 11 is not supported. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. Also foreshadowing is how long it takes Andrews parents, Kate and David, to wade through various levels of bureaucracy to confirm his death. Former Assistant Pastor at Jackson Community Church. We dont do anything related to murder anymore, he said. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? How do you represent the fact that this 13-month-olds death was preventable? hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. David Bagby's book, Dance With the Devil, is a good read. Shirley. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. ', KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. You will hurt and this film will sit with you for days, weeks, months. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. Had the case played out in the U.S. court system, they believe Zachary would still be with them. There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. Memorial University Medical School. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. | Learn more about Tessa Bagby's work experience, education . His goal at first was simply to collect memories and tributes from people who were close to Bagby. Then the questioner got choked up.the best thing I've seen in Austin (at SXSW)." It also recently won Best Documentary at the Orlando Film Festival and the Audience Award at the St. Louis International Film Festival. Dear Zachary was a hit at Slamdance! KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. The apparent culprit was a woman named Shirley Turner, whom Bagby had dated but had broken up with on November 4th, in Latrobe, just before putting her on a plane to Council Bluffs, Iowa, where she lived at the time. How do you represent anguish of that magnitude without turning it into a Greek tragedy? Mr. KUENNE: (Kate holding Zachary) Hello, bud. Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. That one comes back a lot. She has to veer away from the image and instead see him as a living being. You live your life, you create an entire universe around you, you trundle along, and then FUCK. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? They are selfless. The couple was also involved in a support group for parents of murdered children and sat through three murder trials to try and help other surviving parents deal with their incredible grief. kate bagby and david bagby 2020 - sercano.com Kurt Kuennes 2008 documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, deserves a second look, especially in light of the recent popularity of true-crime programs like Serial and Making a Murderer., Photograph courtesy Oscilloscope Pictures / Everett. Based on the title alone, it sounds like one of those saccharine documentaries that only the filmmaker and the subject would ever really care about. Zachary, how's our baby today? -Managed leading Egyptian companies' accounts with the firm, including in the oil and gas, financial, consumer goods, real estate and automotive sectors. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? That gave her a chance to do something useful for some people who needed it, said David. I sat there. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. Sharing voices. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. We couldn't let the authorities who let this happen get away with it. But you will come away believing in people. Shortly after his death, she fled to Canada and settled back in St. Johns. Cpl. His father says, I kissed him and held him. For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. Cpl. They had to be nice to Turner, to keep her mellow, and not fight with her. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. (Youll never guess who showed up on my doorstep, one of Bagbys friends recalls him saying. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. It was for custody of their grandchild who looked exactly like his father that they moved to the city of their sons killer. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire
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