My advice: If youre standing, attempt to avoid a confrontation; and mentally prepare yourself for the greater likelihood that youll be on your back being chewed on. He agreed the animal was huge. As I think about it, I very well might start doing what commenter New Continental Army suggested: carry two guns. If the Hellsing 454 Casull is ever made (semi- auto), I want one. I want to be able to pump 8 to 18 rounds in his head as fast as I can. Its the sick, injured, old one that will risk human contact. The range of a Mountain Lion may cover 25 to 785 square miles. The third racoons I shot was hit behind the heart lung area with a 7.62x 25 , it flinched from the shot, turned, growled, and continued towards a timbered embankment and possible escape. Carry to fit your states wild life? The only explanation that I can think of is that it was pumped full of adrenaline. Though it is illegal under state law to kill a mountain lion to protect a pet, CPW has decided not to press charges. A woman was killed by a cougar, in Washington State a couple of weeks ago, while mountain biking. Is it a powerhouse, as a bear cartridge? It can push a 400-grain bullet to more than 1,500 fps, but I cant control it. The 148 grain SC is great as long as it is a hollow base, and loaded backwards with the hollow base facing out. Or even a simple GLOCK 10mm like the A.H.P. But the animals are wandering into populated areas more regularly in search of food. Next The cartridge will push a 180-grain bullet to a respectable 1,300 fps, and that little Kimber has a lot to offer. Poisons, like these rodenticides, harm lions. Handloads push a 300-grain to just over 1,000 fps, so it just cracks the code. If you choose a 9mm in bear country, you dont want hollow points but maybe something like Lehigh Defense Extreme Penetratorwith its solid copper bullet. Oaf, that was funny! I have two dogs and they said that might provoke the bears. had the game warden not had his .357 Magnum holstered on his person the Grizzly Government paid hunters were also paid to do the same. I find it odd that people who trust autoloading pistols for protection against instantaneous violent attack by humans do not trust them for bears? Last time I was buying bulk ammo in 5.56 mm NATO, 9 mm, .40 Smith, .44 Mag and Sources I had never shot a bear before , so I decided to put it down with a shot to the next. Please reply. He shot it twice point blank with his 9mm and the hog just shook its head and continued to walk around. The group was less than four inches and the ammo was full-power Winchester factory loads so it was full recoil. Defensive purse swinging! Fly fishing in AK, and knocking around the woods I often carry a stainless charter target bulldog in 44 special. The 30-50 yd accuracy is simple.AMAZING SHOT PLACEMENT WITH POWER. 8. Made me wonder Dont these manufacturers know that hard cast is more effective? Perhaps they were just given that name to sound scary, but are really made for 2 legged predators? Mountain lion study highlights. Ive chronoed this load at 1325fps, its kickass on Elk. WLN LBT even at long ranges with factory twists. You need that big chunk of lead to penetrate deep and crush stuff as it goes. I use the buffalo bore +P 340 for bear loads. In Alaska, we not only have to deal with the common two-legged variety of vermin found in every place in the world, but also the large, four-legged beasts that can either kill and trample you with their hooves, or rip you apart with their claws and teeth; its the latter which draw hunters to the Last Frontier with high-power, large caliber rifles. Im paraphrasing a bit here, but I once read an article by Bill Jordan about a new Weatherby rifle he was about to take on safari to Africa. A good friend used to go to Alaska to fish. Not totally true. In general, 10mm, .44 magnum, or better seems like the best choices (including .454 Casull). I had a face off not far from lake Iliamna with that combo and would not have traded it for the world. That wont be possible until my kids are out of college, though. moose. Everyone Practices Cancel Culture | Opinion, Deplatforming Free Speech is Dangerous | Opinion. Florida State Lawmakers Introduce 'Constitutional Carry', The Staccato CS Brings Real Performance to the Concealed, Meet ROSE: SIG SAUER's Complete Concealed Carry Solution for, Honolulu Issues First Concealed Carry License. It is the gun I used in the American Hunter Challenge Video where I make five hits at seven yards in under three seconds. Oct. 14, 2020 6:15 PM PT. The local police department and/or county sheriffs office can also respond to mountain lion-public safety calls to a 911 operator. I dont plan to go out in the woods or scrubs any more but the S&W 629 with a 8 & 3/8 barrel Ive owned for 25 years will serve me well against black bears or hogzillas here in sunny Florida should the need arise. As most readers are probably aware, a cougar (aka mountain lion) attacked a couple of mountain bikers in California last month [ Outside Online News: January 9 . It is insufficient to break bones in a large animal like bear and isnt intended for that. For both wilderness/rural vs. urban/metro I cannot My gun will push the strong 300-grain hollowpoints to just under 1,200 fps, and thats a formula that can end a confrontation. And ditto even for herbivorous who often destroy and damage crops. And its usually charging you in a self-defense situation where youre trying to penetrate all that meat, gristle and bone in the way of its vital organs. The mountain lion also occasionally preys on domestic livestock and pets. An interesting side note is that after a bear has been skinned and hung up, if you come upon the scene unexpectedly you would think that you are looking at a dead man. She had gone out to get water and as she left she picked up her grandfathers .22 because up there you just never leave the cabin without a gun. Personally, I'd feel the best with a .44 mag, .45LC, or 45-70 in a Marlin carbine. Humans travel about 21MPH tops.. Bears.. 35mph.. you spent 6 weeks on the road system not the boondocks If you are in the boondocks whatever that means? double action using 250gr. Supposedly it will go through armor vests, 1.5 inches of steel, etc. I often have to carry elk quarters out in the Bitteroot mountans, which is heavy populated with wolves, grizzly, black bear, and moose, all of which I have had numerous too close for comfort encounters where Ive had to draw down. coastal on the Alaska peninsula quartering away with a .338 Win mag. against a pack of feral dogs a .38 Special is highly effective and lethal. If so, what is the problem? You dont need a laboratory test to confirm that it was behaving strangely. Smith & Wesson. . @ 1,100+ FPS!! C. After a Loss Depredation Permit Process. in bear country. Just as with dangerous game rifles, using a cartridge that is too big to allow for proper shot placement isnt a wise idea; shot placement is everything. FL). The recoil is quite severe for all of these loads and I cant imagine wanting or needing to go to the 460 Rowland! can a 38 special kill a mountain lion. within the last 30 years, this doesnt necessarily need to apply to civilians. And I do practice dry fire and shoot whatever is the cheapest ammo I can find around time. About ten years ago I killed a threatening brown/black bear with a .357 from an SP101 snubby. All cats are rats. I have both the Governor and a Public Defender Judge, but no steel framed .45 Long Colt guns. Id wager that Ive walked within feet of bear and cougar many times without realizing that they were there. I carry my Ruger SP101 357 on me always, and when camping, I have my 45-70 close by. There was a story this week of a California child attacked by a mountain lion, allegedly 10 ft. from his family. One guy, a native of Alaska (Marty) carried a .22 Magnum revolver. Then it rolled over and started walking. The Creator has a great plan, and I do not really miss the dodo bird or the carrier pigeon. From all I know and all Ive read, .357 may work for black bear, but a larger caliber is better. For more information about Hornady ammunition, click here. You need to shoot a few of the +Ps every Spring to remember where they are hitting. My Glock 10 mm w/ 15 + 1,in A mountain lion was mauling her 5-year-old son in front of her. Hunting and slaughtering are hardly a comparison. I read with interest the side arms in bear country. landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. I got a buddy who is a duputy with Harris County (Tx) Sherrifs office. First shot went wild as the bear clamped down on his forearm and shook him. Sure, semi-automatics have their place. Despite the firepower, these guys all tried to avoid brown bear encounters. You can keep the Roland! Let's dive right in. Speaking of cougars, check out this video from Barcroft TV. I still carry that early 41 mag in bear country but just recently bought an early M-58 and am going to carry it as it is easier to draw with no adj sights. your comments hold great weight with me!! Holy shit! A brown bears a Swiss mil-spec mugger, with built-in armor all over, especially around the brain. Having to cock it every time I shoot. When Ruger made a new .45 LC Redhawk capable of firing .45 ACP, I told myself I want one of those. Laying out the reasonable course of events leading up to a legitimate use of force against Bears (or Lion) would make it more difficult to prosecute (IMO for political / ideological reasons) citizens who defend themselves against bear (or lion) attacks. Like I said before , I wish someone would make a 416 Rem Mag. With that said, feel free to carry bear spray if you want. The Smith & Wesson 329 PD is by far the best handgun choice for self-defense against bears and boars while out and about in the woods. vintage Smith and Wesson Model 66 is a classic beautiful handgun with pinned barrel, An old farm fence stopped the bear at 11 yards and gave me the chance to get that cap on. I placed a dollar bill next to the track and took a photo. There are some real men out there who have seen a bear in a zoo and have shot their 500 SW 4 times 6 years ago. In Alaska, meat is often removed from a kill site via a frame pack and two strong legs, and all that blood creates a scent trail like a flashing All-you-can-eat buffet advertisement. An interesting piece giving advice from expert typewriter shooters to bear hunters. In the middle of our camps we kept a ready shotgun on a small folding table so if a quick exit from the tents was called for, everyone at least know where that one was. Mountain lions killed 15 dogs in 30 days near a Colorado town. Any suggestion that a 9mm or 357 magnum is any gun better than none in brown bear country is ridiculous. For more information about Smith & Wesson, click here. What did you have I asked, he said he had a .454 Casull in a shoulder harness. Alfredo Gonzalez, 60 . Speaking of the 10mm, theres no mention. They are beautiful animals I love seeing in the wild, but from a very safe distance, downwind of the bear. There are many reviews of this caliber online. I think anybody going into bear country should read the article about bear defense guns and ammo @ garrettcartridges.com This should answer most questions on the subject. Key Points: No dog, regardless of the breed, would be able to take on a full-grown mountain lion solo. (I have killed or watched others kill several with an ax when I was guiding. . For me, Id say whatever you have at the time is better than nothing. Then you could shoot them from a distance and up close and personal, and I dont care if it is heavy, power is knowing your prepared ! That said, the 4-3-1 is a simple and effective rule of thumb. be utilized for small game hunting: rabbit, squirrel, and grouse. However, should you have the misfortune of getting between a sow and her cubs, or perhaps meet a cantankerous old boar, the black bear certainly has the equipment to rearrange your anatomy, and even possibly render your birth certificate null and void. Will a 9mm or 38 spl kill a bear? Hopefully, this link will work. Mountain lions are a protected species in California. I also have a small Freedom Arms in .500 Wyoming Express. Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. When I go into the Cascades, I always take a .357 revolver. They understood the dangers. Lets get my own choices out of the way first. might be ok for a black bear, but will likely piss off a coastal bear. So dont go shooting just for fun especially on Kodiak. Mountain lion attacks often allow the victims a bit of time to access weapons. This is why I prefer my .460 Roland it has compensator for better follow on second shot. And this is why Glock 29s and Smith & Wesson 329s exist. I prefer to carry a .460 Roland built on .45 Colt ACP 1911 chassis. , .357 mag. The lion ignored the adults in the group and went right for the children. . Im a pistol guy now, and except for my Ruger Super Red Hawk, I seldom shoot revolvers. Even then, I havent seen a failure in nearly 10 loadings, at which time I usually get rid of them. An official from the department visited the farm shortly after the incident and found tracks belonging to the animal, according to local news reports. Ruger, Really. Hardly know its even there. Of course, I dont live in Alaska, nor have I ever killed a bear. wild berries and plums, and of course during hunting season (deer and elk for instance) You are on the Alaskan highways lets get that straight. God Bless old Friend. and when was the last time you saw a wolves, let alone a bear.?????? If the mountain lion successfully ambushed a wolf, the fight is immediately over, and the wolf is dead due to a pierced skull or ripped throat. Who knows? I doubt that I have walked past a moose without noticing. Although, for me, the closest I want to get to a rattler is a 44 mag snake load, preferably my Judge in .410 7 shot. Most glocks can be purchased for about 600 dollars. Unlike grizzlies, black bears seem to be much less predictable and do not give as many signals huffing, grunting, ears back, etc. counter-shrunk chambers, and original factory Goncalo Alves target grips. Mountain lions are a specially protected species in California. When they were hunted with dogs in the 1950s and 60s, many were shot with .22 rimfire cartridges from both rifles and pistols. Conflicts between mountain lions and humans have become more common in recent years due to habitat degradation and increasing populations. I call those DGUs as easily as a person on person. I do reload them hot. Not a chance will I ever take those with me here in Alaska, other than around town where bear issues are far more unlikely. There are videos out there that show this gun/ammo combo going through both sides of the current US Army helmet. Planning to go, I figured that I didnt have the right gun for a possible bear encounter. A mountain lion was killed in the Santa Monica Mountains, becoming the first killed under the state's depredation law, a National . That being said, I would carry both. Carry big. No, they dont. Loaded with good ammunition, either of these Smith & Wesson .44 Magnums will make excellent bear medicine. Not trying to be cute, but when you slaughter a hog, you shoot them in the head. Mountain lions are apex predators with the ability to kill elk, mule deer, and coyotes with ease - but they aren't usually aggressive toward hikers and their dogs. Last I heard the Judge and Governor are chambered in .45 Colt and shoot the exact same rounds as your Redhawk does. They only penetrated a 1/4 of an inch, while the .357 round went through the skull and ended up about nine inches deep in the neck. I load them to just over 1,200 fps. Almost all .460s are semi-autos. Its certainly not the lightest sidearm weighing in at just over 3 pounds, fully loaded in its holster but when Im forced to enter bear country, I have absolutely no worries. He put his mouth directly on top of his head, and I think if the head had been smaller, hed have been picked up.. First round 00 buckshot then slugs. The lion can then be shot and removed, or tranquilized and transplanted at least 300 miles (480 km) away. This attack from 2008 shows the utility of a handgun for defense against predators in the wild. I would wantShortFast out of the holster.and powerful. the 45 colt will out perform even the 454 if the right cases are used in bullet weights up to 410gr. Mountain lion facts. They are not fun to shoot, not fun to carry. the reason to own a .38/.357 revolver. Theres no such thing as overkill. It was the first handgun I ever purchased, and I put a considerable amount of thought into it. +P Semi-Wadcutter HP Ammo [38G] - $20.95 Or if you are really recoil sensitive these would work pretty well, non-plus p and low velocity. Big hand guns buck like a mule, and even though adrenaline is flowing, that big gun will jump and you will have to push hard for that second shot, The .460 Roland doesnt rise as much as the .45 Colt. I have used the Casull to take a lot of game including several black bears so I understand the terminal ballistics of this cartridge pretty well. My buddy Marty Groppi who enjoys the famous trout streams of Upstate New York carries a Smith & Wesson Model 29 in the classic .44 Magnum, a combination that will most definitely save your bacon. Self-Defense, The spent shell casings can end up lost in the grass, sagebrush, bushes, woods, Worse is the comment on using a .38 Spl in bear country is better then no gun: BS, if your not prepared, dont go! Im glad she now carries the Liberty ammo. The one time I did push these cases was to experiment with that claim, and after 5 heavy loadings, the primer pockets were very loose, but no sign of any case separation. Not being a cougar hunter, didnt pay much attention to it. Stupidity has no limits ! Disease is a greater concern when lions are genetically isolated as in the Santa Ana Mountains, and could potentially contribute to future decline in that population. But these loads would likely destroy an old Peacemaker, or other similar guns. You can keep your semi-autos and single action revolvers. Schalow was 10 years old at the time. I carefully googled this story using the locationImpossible to find any story that confirms that what you said id true. I have a buddy who guided a hunter with a .50 AE to a brown in the late eighties when it came out and it was a disaster. It seems to be a matter of carrying largest caliber you can for the situation, with the proviso that you be able to deliver sufficient rounds on target. While attempting to release the Grizzly an accident occurred with the bear on top of I no longer use trick bullets or many jacketed bullets. Rifle first if at all possible. Bobcat tracks will be much smallerless than 2 inches wide . My choice is the 500 S&W. I looked at my knife on my hip and quickly decided thst wouldnt work. A mountain lion killed some goats about a half mile from us. But so Usually blacktail deer. My rule of thumb is the minimum is 4-3-1. Bears have a way of sneaking up on you. P-38 was a male mountain lion born in 2012 and first collared in 2015, the statement said. i think a .38 would tickle the bear more than anything. Agreed. When it comes to wheel guns should they be ported? I will take it to heart and now that Ive learned the 4 3 1 rule Ill not forget it, and not fail to abide by it while in bear country, and quite probably every time Im hunting. not litter the landscape. By Anders Anglesey On 11/3/21 at 11:39 AM EDT. And, take the time and professional training to get to know how it feels to defend yourself in a close-combat type of scenario. Are they prudent, not for me. Some dogs work together well enough to make a cat figure it's best to run but rarely will a pack of dogs be able to kill a cougar. If a domestic animal (pet/livestock) is injured or killed by a mountain lion, the owner has the legal right in California to have the mountain lion killed. Ruger alaskan, or Taurus Raging Bull in 5 or 6.5 ported, .480 ruger with 400g hardcast pushing 1100fps or more. They only work if you have them with you. LAR Grizzly 45 Win Mag. .38spl are pretty light loads. The Casull is an updated and slightly elongated version of the .45 Colt, fully capable of firing .45 Colt ammunition. Its much harder to retrieve spent brass fired from a semi-auto We live in a world that has an exploding human population and dangerous animals are always the losers. 10 mm, the old lady behind me at checkout at Cabelas asked me why I was buying so much ammo. 1988 a Montana Fish and Game Officer utilized same handgun to dispatch a Grizzly Robert Rourke famously said, Use enough gun.. According to CPW, Colorado is home to between 3,000 and 7,000 mountain lions. Join half a million readers enjoying Newsweek's free newsletters. . I decently placed 5.56 will kill anything in north america. coyotes I am a handgun hunter who lives in Wyoming and hunts the Beartooth. I usually carry it in a cross-draw holster that allows me to ride a horse or ATV. However, I can get 2 aimed shots with my hot 10mm for every one with any big bore revolver Ive ever shot. A large-bore firearm, with tons of practice in real-world scenarios, and to hell with insane local laws that prohibit mags > 15 rounds. Year later, shot a black bear same ammo, but out of a desert eagle way better results. Phil has over three decades of experience guiding hunters and fishermen, and understands their habits as well as anyone else alive. There is a lot of nonsense out on the internet from people who have never seen a bear and have probably never cut up a dead critter to see what a bullet will do. Unfortunately, an enraged bear will knock you down before your gun clears leather. That wouldnt do it for me. While Snap decisions in day to day life are a bad idea.. Light to carry, manageable recoil, do a quick reload of 125jhp and your good for CCW. Its light and easy to carry.. I wonder how much penetration that will make on a bears skull? You think living in the Alaskan bush 24/7/365 for 33 years as a bear guide makes you an expert? Shot 3 whitetail doe in the noodle with that rifle, and it wasn,t graphic. Native to the Americas, the puma, also called the mountain lion, cougar, catamount or panther, often shares its habitat with several other top predators, such as wolves, bears, coyotes and jaguars. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. At night you may wish a good shotgun and buck shot. Magnum revolver for not only armed defense against both two and four legged I have seen that cartridge fail horribly on black bears and hogs. Now thats an appropriate comment. The ultimate outcomeof this predatory performanceisn't clear, but watching a puma stalking a pair of bull elk makes for an unforgettable sighting. A California man has been sentenced to 30 days in jail and other penalties for the killing of a protected mountain lion over the summer. You need to be able to kill a bear in a moments notice, most times a bear is just doing what they do , when suddenly a stupid hiker startles the wild animal and It sees you as a threat ! Now that we have hogs in the area, I want to upgrade to either an AR pistol in .50beo, a revolver in 500SW / 454Casull. Great article, even better advise-44 mag super redhawk will be on my side when the opportunity comes my way. After watching a grizzly tear apart a moose calf in the Tetons I took my s&w .40 to a pawn shop and traded it for a .41 magnum Taurus tracker with a 4 ported barrel, The S&W .500 was too heavy to carry while hiking. They respond pretty well to people calibers without the need to go full-on hand cannon. Dont immediately dismiss bear spray from consideration. This makes cougars great jumpers, able to leap from the ground 18 feet up into a tree. Mountain lions, also known as pumas or cougars, interact with hundreds of species and play a direct role in balancing various habitats across the state and other parts of the U.S. I would take a 357 Magnum with hard cast bullets over a standard 45 Colt round. That is your choice. They live off the grid and have lots of bear trouble with their livestock. 300 grains is on the low end for 50ae. I am from Houston, TX. A 10-year-old boy was killed by a mountain lion while hiking near Grand Lake in 1997, and an adult runner was killed in Idaho Springs in 1991. I simply killed her with kindness, responding: for the same reason you dont buy bathroom tissue, one sheet at a time, MAMM. The cowboy loads are mild and fun to shoot and loaded with 300 plus grain hot loads it is very similar to a 44 mag. By the time I am loaded with bow, backpack, and tree stand, I am at 50 plus pounds and I am 50+. So if its a two shot scenario with a revolver, I can place 4 AIMED shots with my 10mm in the same amount of time. The Inuit hunters would wait at a breathing hole in the ice. There is an interesting compilation of mountain lion incidents and attacks titled: Cougar Attacks & Other Incidents -2000 to date. A lion's natural life span is probably about 12 years in the wild and up to 25 years in captivity. Having read that the US Fish and Game guys carried .357 Mag in bear country, but this was in the 1970s, and I have no ides how true that was or is now, I figured 10mm S&W with hardball would do the job even better, but the hunters I hang with think that never gets old. This I know from personal experience! May 23, 2022 / by / in . One lion can consume up to 20 or 30 pounds of meat in a single meal. I have never had a chance to stop a bear yet buy was close to one in Yellow Stone park a few years ago when the bear came 7.62 mm (.32 cal) out of a necked-down 9mm case. But again, as the species is protected, they were unable to carry out efforts to catch it. But also a few manufacturers that load plus P 45 Colt rounds that are every bit as powerful as the 44 magnum. Very interesting. And if he could run too fast, any caliber will work for knee caps!!!! It definitely works. He was knocked down to the ground getting mauled fending off the black bear with his left arm while he drew and fired his semi-auto point blank into the bears throat with his right. Though perhaps semi-obsolete, if not obsolete for law enforcement I would have no reservation about using it on a mountain lion. It provides some seemingly good info, but some is just confusing and troublesome. At 50yds not much will walk away from a hit with that bullet. HSM .45LC 325 grain is a real stopper. A perfect shot to the brain may stop a griz or black bear with a smaller caliber but you cant count on a perfect shot every time. Department spokesperson Peter Tira told LA Times: "It's been a day-to-day, hourly kind of situation. Park staff monitor the population through satellite GPS collars, remote cameras and . Those who think they can empty their Glock into a charging bear are fools. of course be loaded and kept down loaded with .38 Special ammo (modern). Tracy Ross 3:00 AM MST on Jan 1, 2023. Yes, the first round was the fatal round but it didnt stop the bear. Carrying a .38 snubbie in bear country is roughly akin to wearing a sandwich board that reads FREE LUNCH! sure, sure, sure. A .38 snubby? My second firearm of choice because it works for two legged predator as well is my Springfield XDM 460 Rowland. Until you dump a 15 rd mag into some calibrated ballistics gel, hold your amateur and mis-informed comments for all the other mommys wanna bes. 3-6 .357 mag with 200g hardcast at 1250fps or more, depending on barrel length. 66% of kills among collared mountain lions were mule deer. One California farmer found herself caught up in a conservation dilemma, after a wild mountain lion attacked her ranch and killed her animals. Outdoors. Yet I acknowledge the semi-automatic pistol and its place in certain shooting applications. Theres no chemical on this planet that will stop a determined grizzley, only a fool would bet his life on an aerosol. If he does not already carry a firearm then he should. 7.6225 Red Army Standard 86gr. Funny how there is no mention of bear spray in all of this as it has to be the first option compared to killing and animal in whose domain you have wandered. Now that is change of Biblical proportions. Thousands of empty Ancient Churches that have been converted into libraries and or apartment buildings are testament to that. Great article. Companions showed up shooting to save the day. 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