I feel like I am beating this to death. Position the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoder as shown in the display. Sprinkus, nice job on providing the Decoder Troubleshooting Guide. great post & replies.. very helpful stuff. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Otherwise I have been going by what the homeowner is telling me. Wont read flow. HunterTekGeek 1. <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/MediaBox[ 0 0 612 792] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>> All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. 2. Can we trust electronic component curves? Or are we taking those with the same grains of salt we employ when looking at sprinkler head performance charts? All rights reserved. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. Reduce timer or turn off backlight display. I love the product. I am troubleshooting a Hunter ACC 2 wire decoder system and could use some advice. In other words, if you try to use a clamp meter on "native" power, normal controller power, it likely will not read accurately. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. WebSolution Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. I hate to disappoint 1idejim, but no Speedos were used or harmed during this operation. When troubleshooting is finished, press the soft key again to turn off the 60 Hz wire test mode. Ex distributor and a big fan of Hunter 2 wire. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. ICD-HP will not communicate with decoder. The Diagnostics screen displays an overview of the electrical status of each installed output module, plus additional functions. Press the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. Konapride - U da Man! 1:24:23 The Half Method. I'm an avid user of Hunter products here in Aus. The display may show Press the Mode (center) button on the DUAL48M control panel. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. %PDF-1.5 Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Operating large numbers 1:15:16 Types of Problems. 2 0 obj If Some of us employ self-healing transformer technology which may use a poly-switch or other resettable device. If the voltage did not change, verify that Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? Make sure power is on to controller. I remember reading the phrase "electronic circuit breaker" in product descriptions when the glass fuses and mechanical circuit breakers were no longer included with sprinkler controllers. <> When 12 comes on there shouldn't be any measurable current on the same wire on the 11 valve. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation, EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. Check battery display or Whats the next step? Repeat firmware update steps and allow to complete. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. Example of using glass fuse holders on ADM. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? I think it isn't posted online because it needs updating. 5[@l$w ZIeQ|"+m}Z 4 0 obj The wire test will place a 60 Hz frequency on all output modules and their two-wire paths, to allow wire tracking and fault finding with a standard AC current clamp meter. Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. also there are 22 stations. Weba defective solenoid, 2) defective field wiring, or 3) poor wire connections. The AC current will drop sharply between two points on the wire path, if the short circuit or fault to earth is between them. Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. XhArBLfR6+$!$/}^T%]'N$xRP:D,d_c GuC`5PC.7|/$C. 1:27:03 I thought I was the only nerd regarding 2 wire. 3 0 obj endobj Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. <> 1:09:06 System Troubleshooting. dEZ$eo4#tWY)[ 1BqH M9 7HB37(.eFyTg%!Rppe8M'CJ_*uN%! When the program doesn't run, the "module/line activity" light is rapidly blinking red. I have better luck using a 24 VAC signal. ?t5Za')i6/3^mAa` B@9xkWJIj#vc$lsv$ $ac9]zruP!53yT)Ek8k~oF2|jS(KzwR%~qQPxS*=[{n{;GCNBRq;4E+ajt'b34vII +sa:fKJ The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. 19 yrs & counting. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. Check the voltage on the output of the decoder. WebHunter ACC Decoders. I previously distributed Hunter here in Aus and they are a brilliant company. Woo-Hoo! I will be in the office the rest of the week. I like barry he uses a white board which I like and dry erase markers which I love, ill post a link if i can find it. Ditto on the classy rep. Those are posts well worth saving. I'd say a helper would be handy. To read decoder information: Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. Not sure how their fuse size compares to the actual transformer ratings. endobj ill ask for you next time you really know your stuff.. Verify that the two wire path is connected to the controller, and that controller power is @lP-s 67#R }*]xg6Q+DTp J'rY{y Of course, the primary design concern for controllers is probably going to be to have triacs that can handle the entire output of the supply transformer up to its internal fuse opening point. <>>> also there are 22 stations. Check system for leaks and malfunctions. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. JavaScript is disabled. I have only gotten the problem to show itself for me once, that was today after installing the new module. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf, http://www.turf-digital.com/Jul2011/South#&pageSet=12&page=0. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. If there is no problem with the decoder lead wires, then split the connections for the 2-wire path. Trace and mark the 2-wire path using a 501 or 521 if necessary. Connect the Pulser to the 2-wire path that is isolated from the controller. Master Valve not on (station solenoid is on, but no water). All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. w?Lhq ?N~5kd>wkSrzPq$`p_PD8q 1 0 obj Success! VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. When stations are running (Active), the total current is updated to show the power used by the solenoids. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. Select Diagnostics with the arrows, and press Mode to Press the Mode Program dummy station numbers into decoder. Check Power Supply Board status light. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Sorry. It's easy enough to spec triacs in a controller that will operate on the safe side of a glass fuse curve. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. The decoder will not respond after a firmware update, Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by handheld. That Jim Guy said: Rather than seeing 10.5-12.0 ma you should be getting about 4.5 at the 3rd decoder. Select. WebThe bottom of the decoder (the end with no wires) should be within the programming cup. O.k, you're holding the phone in one hand and the notebook in the other..how do you write? First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, Troubleshooting Decoder-Based Irrigation Systems Regency Wire & Cable 3.86K subscribers Subscribe 230 Share 40K views 5 years ago Learn how to All rights reserved. Konapride - Did you call Hunter today? Sometimes it works perfectly fine. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. Check two-wire path and controller power. I looked up curves when it seemed like I would have to upsize a fuse in a solid state controller in order to accommodate two valves on a zone, in a controller only rated for one. WebDetect faults and perform electrical troubleshooting in the field without uninstalling decoders Quickly read decoder status, station address, current draw, and two-wire voltage to simplify maintenance Program decoder station address via wired connection to speed up installation and save time on-site A condensed version might be possible in your area. Read the resistance of the wire pair that connects the two decoders together. The readings should be between 0-60 depending on distance between decoders (see decoder wire resistance chart). If connection/wiring breaks are not visible, then use a cable tracer to track the wire issue. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. xnH j"0 5xvyeY&B^RU}j5,WWu| ?Dy2)Q()F)aY@S8bAZDx]r|zy|hWl>V&vrU>%eD/ay2qlH&O}MHV- 0h$X>#e|:>6 ? Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. Check flow sensor wiring. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. If successful, it will display the Dec JavaScript is disabled. can we get the Federal Express guy to teach a half-day class? I was at the Golf Industry Show in San Diego all day. If Only looked it up a few days ago, and found the LTC1153 as a top result. Woo-Hoo! Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. Is that true? Poly switches allow current leakage and their ability to remain active is limited. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. When no stations are running (Inactive), this shows the standby current draw of idle decoders on the two-wire path. Most manufacturers use a diagnostic circuit breaker on the triac/output side of things. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. Web1:00:00 EZ Decoder Diagnostics. The * is letting the user know that the ICD-HP is in process of communicating with the decoder. endobj To view this page in a different language, please select from the list below. Why don't you just buy your controllers from dealers instead of off the back of a truck in the middle of the night. ICC2 Manual Operation. Sorry tlawn86 - The 2-day decoder class is currently held in San Marcos, CA. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. WebWith the clamp meter check the lead wire of the decoder to make sure the cause is not a failed decoder. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Hunter have been exceptional with their service over the years. Awesome sps2868. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. If the decoder reading fails, a red X will appear in the display. If it is there for a long period of time, the ICD-HP is retrying due to communication failures. Y1-XBL)~\d1on4a*NkHIcOB\pMEw4pl>=U`S&bSh 9umf,[$ctNKXle5I<5~8[y!ofCO]myN 'T,]>V 7T% G'Day sprinklerkid_australia --- Your Armada Tech clamp meter is trying to read milliamps at 35 VAC and 1.2 Hertz. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. Hi guys. Decoder is powered from ICD-HP power leads. How to use a clamp-meter to troubleshoot: 1. Start station with MV from controller or remote. All Hunter ICD decoders have a single copper grounding wire. That is the "wire" that would be connected to earth ground. If the decoder (s) look damaged from surge, disconnect them from the 2-wire path and check the amperage at the controller. This is done by going to "Advanced Features", "Decoder Functions", "Check ADM Current". The station finder will chatter a selected station to help locate a solenoid in the field by listening. nothing works. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. That's the valve wire after the decoder, not the decoder wire. I will also explore a shorted solenoid. WebAttempt to turn on the decoder from the controller (Manual Single Station or ICR remote). A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. stream Current is very helpful in troubleshooting field wiring conditions. This seems serious enough for the big kahuna to do a site visit. WebPress the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. The curves I read showed there was a little bit of wiggle room (very little). % I have a great video by an engineer named Barry Brents he explains when to use poly switching and when you might not want to. I have a question relating to this post and a job we are on at the moment. There will be more online material in the future. EZ-DT is Hunters new Easy Decoder Diagnostic Tool that makes troubleshooting the EZ-DS system even easier. If you are going to maintain 2-wire systems, you want to have a clamp-around "leakage meter" that can read the milliamp currents drawn by the decoders. Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by hand held. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. WebOpen the controller inner door to see additional diagnostic information on the DUAL48M display. Decoder will not respond after firmware update. EZ-DT: Decoder Programming You When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. 6u-B*v?!kTBiqGx]%L(lJR%C%JT|JN](lW*M(q0sN)M3Z>.l&Zhg_v|w4(`yNId8Ui@IOPfMaUKZHTLjnJQZ\`{YAQ$t"k$HiYv;|bXr`-p J#[(iiq:;?-+&gj"tw0 ,x n(p.d0ib=J%UXSeRn2 LM %%]*WI@NT. If the Err message is not present, the problem is with the valve or Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. Each modules electrical current is shown. To read decoder information: Two beeps will sound, and decoder information will be displayed. I have replaced the decoder module and I am experiencing the same problem. nothing works. Make sure you have a clampmeter and notebook in your hands, I can't tell you how portant they both are. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Rod your a big help.. when i called hunter support last thursday the rep i talked to was just reading a book and didnt know a clue what i was talking about almost. WebMake sure both slide locks are closed. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. Display backlight will reduce battery life. Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. In a diagnostics situation be aware their will be measurable current where their will none in a traditionally open circuit. My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, with the primary wired to a pigtail. I will check on it. Thanks for any help. 2. Otherwise data history only shows "power outage" and "power restore" due to the homeowner shutting off the breaker, which he says 'almost' always allows the box to work properly. I have a few oversize control transformers with actual fuseholders. also there and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/acc_v5.11.020_xp.zip, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf. The Decoder Design Guide isn't super great for troubleshooting but it does help clarify things graphically: reps and sponsors could learn a lot from your posts, once a product has been introduced quit selling and help when help is needed. Check flow sensor setup. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. Verify flow limits and delays allow for some variation. HCC Manual Operation. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. The clamp-meter will give accurate readings. http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-te-talks/, http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-TE-talks/, http://www.underhillonline.net/Faulting_Transformer_p/transfrmr-240.htm, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf. Any current-limiting circuitry would serve as transformer protection as well as triac protection. Overflow messages. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. The decoder may be damaged. I have chatted a few times with hunter support and with the local hunter rep but I figured I would try a different perspective. Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. Do not leave ClikTM Output Tester or Flow Output. WebTroubleshoot wire breaks, nicks, damage, and shorts Solve issues with wires, valves and locating decoders Assists with set-up and product recommendations Supports all 2-wire Check with your local sales rep and request a class. Start the controller manually. This is a common diagnostic technique to find shorts to earth ground. All rights reserved. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Know most of the Hunter guys in San Marcos. To stop the chatter, press the soft key again, or it will stop by itself after 30 minutes. Thanks for your patience. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. Thanks to all for the kind words. Thank you very much, I will be calling Hunter Support tomorrow. ACC-99D uses two-wire decoders to control up to 99 stations without giving up the arsenal of features provided by the ACC. Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. I scheduled with the homeowner for Friday morning, so I will be calling at 8am Hawaii time this friday. However there have only been two fault messages, each for a random zone (19,22) stating "comm" error. JavaScript is disabled. Check battery display or retry with USB power if available. WebMove the pointer with the arrow buttons at the Main Menu screen to Program Decoder and press Next . The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. WebEZDT - EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. 1:01:06 Tools for Troubleshooting. Basically the system doesn't work intermittently, where the control box indicated that it is watering normally but it in fact is not. Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. nothing works. The ICD-HP will check for a decoder. Been installing it for around 6 years now and its the best. So here's the recap guys: Success! :clapping: Hey Pops, you ever hear of speaker phone or earbuds? Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. I should have mentioned my own research about polyswitches was not about their being primary protection in this application, but for use in another aspect of valve operation by remote controllers. School of hard knocks. If the LED on the decoder is not blinking green, ensure the station is active, checkthe two-wire path and wire connections, and repeatsteps 1 & 2. Thank you. STEP 1: Verify Station Fault Remove the field wire for the faulted station. adam lane goldman sachs,
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